Hello, this is John Robles, I’m speaking with Mr. Len Bracken, he is the author of six books including the “Shadow Government: 9-11 and State Terror”, he is also a specialist in international affairs and international relations, and an accredited journalist. This is part 3 of an interview in progress.
Robles: Do you think is really possible that a government could kill 3,000 of its own citizens as a pre-text to bring about a hyper-security state and a condition of endless war?
Bracken: Right. The wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and the establishment of the Department of Homeland Security, which probably will make the Gestapo look like some kind of Utopian Paradise when it’s all over.
Robles: You think it’s possible, you think that’s realistic?
Bracken: Yeah, I do think it’s possible, I think that, you know, you had people like Samuel Huntington with his book ‘The Clash of Civilizations‘, there seems to be have been this idea that they would start this “War on Terror” to pick up where the Cold War left off.
And of course a lot of this all goes back to the thing that you brought up before, which is this Project for a New American Century. And of course, Bamford came back in another book called “The Pretext for War” where goes into a great detail about how misleading it was for the Bush Administration to try to link 9-11 to Iraq, and of course, a lot of this goes back to the thing that you brought up before which is this Project for a New American Century, so many of the people that were a part of that, are tied to (How can I put it?) neoconservatives around Leo Strauss at the University of Chicago, who believe in the “noble lie” that can justify any kind of action.
Robles: Len, I was wondering if you could tell me anything about an article which appeared, I believe it was in Newsweek, somewhere around the 15th of September (2001), and they said that the Pentagon had been forewarned, somewhere in this article, which went into… tied into other warnings that were apparently received by other officials and, for example, Condoleezza Rice and the Mayor of San Francisco and some other officials who apparently did not fly that day. Do you know anything about that?
Bracken: Right, the article in the September, 15th issue of Newsweek talked about many of the hijackers receiving training at secure US military installations but it also mentioned that senior Pentagon officials were told not to fly, and to cancel all airplane travel reservations on the day before the 9-11 attacks.
This was in the article and when fellow researchers of mine spoke with one of the authors of the article, a very senior journalist, he denied that this information was actually in the article. And then my friend in turn said: “Hey, it’s right here, you can see with your own eyes that this is what it says” and then he said “Well, then that’s not true”. So he denied the veracity of his own article.
Now with regard to some of the training, probably the most notorious example involves a 24th year air force veteran, by the name of Lieutenant Colonel Steve Butler who was essentially the Dean of Students at the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California and he said that one of the hijackers and its, this Saeed Alghamdi (difficult name to pronounce) was actually trained at his institute and main others as well and that this Saeed Alghamdi was actually one of the three hijackers who took flight trainings at the Pensacola Naval Air Station.
Then, of course, Colonel Butler was actually chastised and given some kind of disciplinary action on the basis of having made accusations, disciplinary measures were taken against him because he accused President Bush of knowing about the impending attacks and doing nothing.
Here is a quote from the letter that he wrote on May, 26th 2002 in theMonterey County Herald: “Of course President Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism.”
Robles: Len, can you tell us a little bit of the background about the.. I believe, what was the official name of this school in Monterey? This was the school where they used to train spies. Can you give us some details on that?
Bracken: It was founded in 1946 with the first name being the Military Intelligence Service Language School, now it is called the Defense Language Institute, Foreign Language Center in Monterey, most people refer to it as the Defense Language Institute.
Robles: How many of these terrorists were there and what were they studying? English?
Bracken: My understanding is that there was at least one, this Saeed Alghamdi, could have been more and they were studying English as a second language.
Robles: Why would they need it?
Bracken: You know, that’s a good question. I guess that they probably spoke some English but not well enough to further their fight training or whatever else they were doing.
Robles: Do you think it is still possible that these people are still around today? Do you think any of the hijackers are still alive?
Bracken: It is entirely possible but certainly the idea that people they said who committed these attacks probably were not the ones who did it. Because many of these people have been found still alive, yet the government said that they died in the attacks.
Robles: So who did it then?
Bracken: I go back to what I said before; I think it was a massive operation, massive intelligence operation involving several governments.
Robles: Do you think it is possible they were drones?
Bracken: I take all of the above approach to the technical questions; I think we should consider everything. I don’t think we are not going to get definitive answers on any of them. That’s not very satisfying but I think that that’s the reality.
I just go back to sort of my theory, I think it was an indirect defensive attack with United States attacking itself.
It’s a very interesting thing about conspiracies, in his discourses Machiavelli talks about six types of conspiracies and he says that an attack against one’s own country is actually very easy to do and so you have it from a figure no less than Machiavelli, saying that, you know, someone in a position of power decides to attack his own country, that he certainly would be able to do that with relative ease.
It might be interesting to include, you know, when people talk about conspiracy theories and try to dismiss this type of thinking. These things have been around for a long time and you have political analysts of the stature of Machiavelli presenting his classifications of types of conspiracies actually.
Robles: Back to the language school, I believe the person you mentioned wrote a letter to some newspaper.
Bracken:Right. It was in May 26, 2002 inMonterey County Herald, I have portion of it here at hands and he said: “Of course President Bush knew about the impending attacks on America. He did nothing to warn the American people because he needed this war on terrorism.”
So that was written by a 24-year veteran of the air force, Lieutenant Colonel Steve Butler who was the Dean of Students at the Defense Language Institute who said that Saeed Alghamdi, and perhaps other hijackers were students at the Institute.
Robles: He “neededthis war on terrorism”, why do think that is?
Bracken: I think its feeling the vacuum created by the end of the Cold War, you had to have something to sustain the Defense Industrial Complex, which is sort of, to say it more accurately, it’s probably a Military Intelligence Complex at this point, you might even call it a Military Intelligence Pharmaceutical Complex because a lot of drugs are being given to people that are involved in those operation, I believe.
Robles: Whether they are branch outing the pharmaceuticals or intelligence or military, I don’t think it’s important, it is the same shadow government, if you want to call them that.
Bracken: That was the title of book but unfortunately, I don’t have the definitive list of those responsible, we can always keep looking but it’s hard to really know exactly who is pulling the strings, who are the puppet masters?
Robles: Now, Len, your theory. What is your gut feeling, what is your theory who is behind this? What do you think really happened? In your gut, in your heart? Who do you think really did this?
Bracken: I think it’s agroup, a sort of amorphous group, called the Safari Club. And this Safari Club started back in the 70s when they had the Church Committee looking into activities of the CIA.
It comprises Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United States primarily, could bring in other intelligence agencies, conceivably Pakistan in this event.
So the Safari Club came into being in order to prosecute just these kinds of things that would never be allowed by the parliaments and the Congress of the United States, the legislative bodies.
So that’s my gut, that it was some kind of group, we’ll call it the Safari Club, go back to the historical precedent, maybe it’s no longer called that, probably it has another name, it is very easy to change names. But I think it was an alliance of intelligence forces in Saudi Arabia, Israel and the United States.
Robles: This is even beyond Black operations, isn’t it? I don’t even think that Black Operations Command would allow something like that to happen?
Bracken: I think it’s in part a Black Opbut then it has a broader strategic… tactically a Black Op but strategically starting a massive war against terror.
Of course, you mentioned Al-Qaeda, and it was not long after the 2005, 7/7 bombings in London, that Robin Cook who was the former Foreign Secretary of Great Britain said that Al-Qaeda doesn’t really exist, and that it is just a database for the CIA and then he passed away shortly after saying that.
Robles: I have heard thatrecently Al-Qaeda stands for “CIA Terrorist Database”, isn’t that correct?
Bracken: Well, that’s what Robin Cook said. The former Foreign secretary of Great Britain said that.
Robles: Well, Al-Qaeda was begun, we know, in Afghanistan to fight the Soviet Union, Osama bin Laden got his start in that war, Osama bin Laden had a CIA code name of Tom Osman when he toured US military installations and was privy to weapons demonstrations and things like that. Many people probably don’t know that.
The man who came up with that information Orlin Grabbe, he is no longer with us, he was forced to live in South America or some place after publishing that information, he died a few years ago.
So Saudi controlling Al-Qaeda, the US funding controlling Al-Qaeda and now let’s look at Syria, 426 children killed as a pre-text for another aggressive military attack. What do you think about Syria?
Bracken: It’s just a crime; it’s like a slow motion crime. My heart goes out to everyone who is faced with this “foreign intervention”, I wrote a general theory of Civil War, I would say that this is not a Civil war; this is most clearly a foreign intervention using the irregular troops to do it.
Robles: Non-state actors, right?
Robles: President Assad, he said himself there are tens of thousands, he said, there are “tens of thousands” of imported foreign mercenary quote/unquote “jihadists”, I don’t know if you want to call them jihadists because, I mean, obviously they have economic interests and they are in their being paid, he said tens of thousands, it’s almost beyond belief. And most people don’t believe it, most people say, “Ah, it’s some conspiracy theory, it can’t happen”, especially with what they are fed in the US media. The US media, even if they know this, many US reporters, they know this information but they can’t talk about it because they will lose their jobs.
Bracken:There is an interesting connection… and we do depend on Russian media to a large extent to bring us some news, but there is an interesting tie-in between 9-11 and Syria and that is in the person of Thierry Meyssan who wrote the “Big Lie”, which was probably the first book about 9-11 saying that it was an inside job and he has been doing some great reporting as well with his Voltaire Network about the events in Syria.
Robles: Len, let me ask you a question, a personal question, do you ever get afraid for your safety? Have you been threatened, have you been watched?
Bracken:Yeah, yeah. I get some warnings. And I try my best to walk a fine line, and we say what we can say, of course, here in the United States we have libel laws for the most part, I just addressed my accusations towards the collective statesmen, you know, you have to be very careful, well this is verbatim, my warning was that: “I had to be very careful with what I write”, and I try to be very careful.
Robles: Who gave you that warning? Can you tell us?
Bracken: I can tell you that the same verbatim words were spoken to me twice by two different people in the course of one week when I was writing the book in the summer of 2002 and my apartment was opened, I would come home two days in a row and the front door would be open.
So I was given these very direct, but not too ominous messages, I would have to say that (How can I put it?), I was scared but, you know, I survived. I don’t think I’m particularly brave, I’m not particularly brave, I would not be the first one to say that there is a lot of other people out there who have gone further with all of this and I think about somebody like a family member named Beverly Eckert who died in a plane crash herself, and she was one of those people who did not accept the money, and was trying to get to the bottom of what really happened.
That was part 3 of an interview in progress Len Bracken. You can find the rest of this interview on our website at Voiceofrussia.com. Thanks for listening and as always I wish you the best wherever you may be.